wantneed in life is Amy Sherman-Palladino to write a Gilmore Girls movie where Luke and Lorelai live happily ever after and Jess and Rory reunite and everyone is perfect and happy.
Right?! It made so much more sense as a toilet, it seems odd that a house with two levels would only have one bathroom - on the second floor, no less.
I completely agree with you, especially about why she slept with Dean. Remember what she said to Lane right before? Basically, she was still attracted to Jess, but the fact that he acted very unreliable was too much for her at that point. She had just gone through a year of college, a year out of her comfort zone and she was lonely and confused. The perceived ‘safety’ of Dean was such an appealing alternative. I don’t think she was thinking she was going to sleep with him…at ALL (he however, definitely had that in mind). I don’t fault Rory for saying no to Jess (though I think there was a bit of a communication error there, which I’ve talked about before) and I don’t even fault her for wanting to stay close to Dean. And NO, that does not excuse her/them from cheating but honestly I understand why it happened from her end and I actually feel bad for her. Dean was acting pretty predatory. Anyway, I digress.
In terms of Logan, I think that yes, her attraction to him probably stemmed more from the reasons she was attracted to Jess than Dean. In fact, if she had never slept with/dated Dean in season 5 I don’t know that she would’ve really pursued Logan at all. Being with Dean again made her realize that was really not what she wanted. Before, she wasn’t so sure. She thought she’d take dull and boring if it meant feeling secure. She soon realized otherwise. But I don’t actually know that I think she just dated Logan because she missed Jess…I think at this point, while she’d never forget Jess, she’d put a great deal of effort into ‘moving on’.
So I agree, but I don’t think Jess was the reason she kept making bad decisions, i.e. giving up a lot of herself for Logan, dropping out of school, partying, etc. Not sure if you were saying that but just wanted to make clear what I think :)
It’s like my life isn’t even real to me unless you’re there and you’re in it and I’m sharing it with you
You know it’s a bit weird, because in one way, I actually love Liz. She’s hilarious, TJ is hilarious, and I love how her relationship with Luke is shown and how it changes through the years.
The odd thing is, the Liz we see is a bit of a scattered, bubbly, outgoing hippie. A far cry from the ‘former’ Liz that’s implied by Luke, Jess and even Liz herself. That Liz was the one that shipped her son off because she couldn’t (or didn’t want to) handle him. That Liz was the one who apparently never gave a crap about what that son thought (especially in relation to her many men), and believed that he wouldn’t amount to anything. The Liz that had been married so many times, but had never been sober for even one of the marriages. The Liz that Luke called flaky, and that Jess called a whack-job.
The idea that Liz put her family (especially Jess) through all of that is really painful to think about. I think it’s clear that she did change by the time she was introduced to the show (though she was far from perfect) but that doesn’t erase everything that happened before. At the same time, as with Jess, we shouldn’t necessarily constantly vilify her for things she’s done in her past if she’s truly remorseful and has bettered herself.
BUT, I also think that mostly from Jess’ perspective, his mom picking herself up, dusting herself off and finally pulling herself together isn’t enough to block out all the pain she had (perhaps not purposefully) caused him. I would’ve liked to have seen Jess and Liz interact after Jess had matured a bit (so season 6/7) to see how he viewed her now. Had he forgiven her for the way she had acted as he grew up? What was his reaction to Doula? Was he concerned about another child potentially being raised in the atmosphere he was raised in, even if he knew Liz was in a better place now?
So basically, my feelings about Liz are complicated. I find her an entertaining character to watch, but also an intriguing character to think about and one that (like Christopher) you sometimes just want to give a metaphorical slap in the face to for neglecting her child the way she did. Isn’t it odd that there are so many characters that we should theoretically hate, but can’t help but love?